Curse

Gun Pierson · Oct 12, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by wingzro

no second monks in any groups or something? if 1 should be able to heal a party, then 2 should be able to heal and rez, in theory. should either of them be the first to rez, no, but if no one else is going to and it's safe to do so, why not do it rather than waste time.

Yeah indeed. And you can always move a step forward to stop the spell when you notice the other monk can't handle it. It's ten energy lost but a good monk would calculate the risks involved and his energy management so this shouldn't be a prob. Also a wand and offhand that give 40% halves casting time in total come in very handy. Even when you're the only monk you can easy pull this off and you can easely correct your own mistake if you made a bad judgement call.

Rebirth is a terrible skill to bring as a monk for the above example. You loose your energy and the person you brought back to life is at low health, low energy and can't use spells for a few secs. Res chant is an über skill in this situation. In my opinion rebirth is only good for the traversal thingy which in some groups is more than needed I'm afraid.

Angelica · Oct 12, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

I always bring a rez signet, unless my secondary profession is a monk or a rit.
Now what about giving to all henchies a rez signet? Last time I used henchies the only one left alive were the necro and the mesmer and they did not rez

so I had to abbandon the quest! This happened while I was exploring around Senji's Corner.

dansamy · Oct 12, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by Quid Pro Quo

I only bring rez on my Necromancer.

I bring res on my Necromancer too. You have your choice: fiend or horror?

lg5000 · Oct 12, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Angelica

I always bring a rez signet, unless my secondary profession is a monk or a rit.
Now what about giving to all henchies a rez signet? Last time I used henchies the only one left alive were the necro and the mesmer and they did not rez

so I had to abbandon the quest! This happened while I was exploring around Senji's Corner.

Unfortunatly, AI will use their res sig even if there is a partymember with a permanent res still around to res the monks

saphir · Oct 12, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

possibly worse than not bringing a res is bringing one and not knowing when best to use it.

too many times in RA is that one team member who after everyone else is dead, and all 4 of the other team are focused on him, his hp at 15% and dropping.. he thinks, hey, maybe i should use this res sig thing. of course they never last the 3 sec it takes to cast it by then.

or in places like uw where after the team is recovered, all monks alive and w/ a res, someone pings "I'm using Resurrection Signet on <dead player>!" and you're like no, no, I got rebirth! But then 3 sec is too short and they've just wasted their sig. res sigs should only be used in dire emergencies where all soft rez players are down in uw/fow/elites

or when your group is fighting a boss mob and someone goes down, why not use your res sig since it's going to recharge once the boss dies anyway. But I've seen groups go down because no one bothered to res sig in a fight against a boss.

it makes the monk in me want to kill a kitten

*Darcy* · Oct 12, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Thank you, Coolniceronguy. The majority of the posters don't seem to have read the op or noticed that I was playing a ranger/mesmer. But at least they've (hopefully) left behind the value of the party window discussion.

The wrong attribute spread happened to a guildmate who was running a mission with my mesmer. He brought his necro, raised his Flesh Golem and almost died of embarassment. There stood his mighty level 4 golem. No one in the party said anything, which in a way made it worse. I asked about his attributes and he insisted they had to be right as he played an mm the night before. It turned out his 7-yr-old son had taken the necro out as an SS that afternoon and hadn't had time to do more than restore the skill bar when he had to quit. Gave my guildmate credit for sticking with the mission, though he didn't raise any more minions.

As to the "Philosophy of the Rez", I always thought the purpose of the Rez Signet was to revive your monk in the event he died. Though listening to some of the comments from monks, that might not be a good idea. They seem to think it's a waste of space. You learn something new all the time.

Ruricu · Oct 12, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Honestly, a dead group is a dead group. In Nahpui, there are random spawns every so often that would have wiped you if you tried to res. 2-3 Rebirths is enough in PvE, and only 1 should be on a monk.

**cosyfiep** · Oct 12, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37

I always have a res of somekind on my characters....just get used to only having 7 skill slots.

Worst rez nightmare.....FOW , banshi quest....I had a rez, (e/mo) but while I was busy rezing the group the warrior and ranger decided to argo.....well they did this right into me.....and yes, I died....neither had a rez of course, why would you bring one of those? the brick/tank asked, well gee to rez the group??? So they finished off the rest of the argo, and went around looting the others players stuff......nice kids. (I watched until they both died----even when you are dead you get part of the coins)....they died horrible deaths, serves them right. was only glad that no ecto dropped...or shards.

gamecube187 · Oct 12, 2006, 05:26 AM // 05:26

I've never forgot to bring rez, ever. That is always the first thing I put in my skill bar, no matter what. The only time I don't bring rez is when I do some type of solo thing or FA. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should always bring rez no matter what, unless you are doing some kind of solo thing or FA.

Katari · Oct 12, 2006, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by lg5000

Unfortunatly, AI will use their res sig even if there is a partymember with a permanent res still around to res the monks

Yup, if there is nothing left alive on radar, the henchies still waste ressigs, and there's no way to stop them

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Kityn · Oct 12, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

When I do not take a rez I make sure than I body block the mobs if we are in retreat. That way I die and others live.

Ole Man Bourbon · Oct 12, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Lol I love all the liars claiming that they never forget a rez. In PvP, sure. In PvE? You're lying.

Rathcail · Oct 12, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

Lol I love all the liars claiming that they never forget a rez. In PvP, sure. In PvE? You're lying.

It's easy to not forget when you don't take it off from your skillbar.

kang · Oct 12, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

first of all, I take rebirth..... only /mo skill i take on my warrior

worst was when I forgot to take a res in hells when I was the last one left and had to try solo the lich.....

sooo lucky it was an all german team so I couldnt understand what they were yelling at me :P

Tijger · Oct 12, 2006, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by Rathcail

It's easy to not forget when you don't take it off from your skillbar.

So you'd waste a skill slot when doing Alliance Battle? To name one example.

I've forgotten to take rez, it happens to everyone at some time, I've also deliberately gone without rez because I'd know if rez depended on me we'd wiped out anyway. If I'm tanking in Tombs I'll be knee deep in hostiles and I'd have no chance to use rez or run away in time, the caveat there is that everyone will know I dont have a rez and it will be agreed on before we enter.

Thats the nice thing about playing with friends as opposed to PUG's, you can agree on such things and nobody will shout noob etc.

Queenie · Oct 12, 2006, 09:01 AM // 09:01

I always remember rez, but I usually forget to set my attributes..and i wonder why im doing like 10 dmg >_<

Rathcail · Oct 12, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Tijger

So you'd waste a skill slot when doing Alliance Battle? To name one example.

Yes. I forget to not bring a res.

Paperfly · Oct 12, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Ditto. Funny how it's kind of the flipside of my earlier post.

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such as players with god complexes and/or vampiric weapons

As a monk, I would call Vampiric weapon (in PvE - it's more of an assumed asset in PvP) to be a very promising sign - it means the other guy's done his research, that he's geared to do some damage as well as tank, and that he's not irrationally terrified of the -1 health. I would prefer it if he'd swap to a standby set when not actively in combat, but in general it's not a big deal.

...Unless he's trying to compensate for it with Mending, of course. And there's a few players around in a transitional phase where they've learnt that vamp mods are good but haven't learnt that Mending sucks.

moko · Oct 12, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

i only play monk;

in pve, i always carry a rez, but as Rebirth, not the Signet. i only take the Signet if its requested or if i think it will come in more handy than Rebirth (missions with constant flood of bosses; Temple, etc) - i always ask if i may leave a res out for another skill (extra e-management, another hex removal, condition removal, depending on the build/area), and the most important, ask if my team carries res as well. yes, i pug a lot, its a must everyone should do :P communicate even if its hard~

in pvp, i only take a res, as in Signet, for HA, when i play aoe smiter (>_>) and thats it. blight, rc, woh, boon and whatnot..no res for me. dont like it, but thats the way it is.

never really had that "oops" situation, because im either the first to die (everyone goes for monk first in pvp duh ;p), or i just res in pve, because i always got rebirth on the 8th spot and never switch it out (excluding farming)

as for PVP, i dont mix up builds there either (for AB, HA, RA and whatever), as i got my 5 PVP monks which all got their set builds so i dont get the problems of having wrong builds. ;p

so to sum it up, no "oops, i forgot a rez!" for moko :>

edit: heh, actually remembered something, once made a new ranger because i had nothing to do, was too used to the /rebirth from monk and went with /mes, loaded by bar with crap and forgot rez signet..was the last one alive as usual in some shiverpeaks mission, running away for a bit saying ill rez someone after...whops, no rez. ;_; deleted ranger because im too used to monking :P lol

Superdarth · Oct 12, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

I always TRY to bring a rez sig,but i dont always remember...if i dont have a rez signet all i can do is hope that i wont need the signet,its very rare that i need a rez signet and dont have one,thankfully,i dont like getting flamed.